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pangretor



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:41 pm    Post subject: PK Interactions Reply with quote

I've voiced my feelings towards this before on the lines and what not, but I guess I'll just make a post on here about it so we can have a discussion about it hopefully.

**Please keep in mind that this isn't really a current issue because most of the characters that are being played these days, do levelcheck with me. just thought i would see how other players feel about it**

I know why the levelcheck/threaten system exists, so don't lecture me on that, But when playing a character of a certain alignment that is out for what he can get and doesn't follow the rules/take shit so to speak, I really cannot do that because if I were to just attack or even kill a player that I do no levelcheck with (especially one of a lower level), shit would hit the fan! Like if Pang wants your shoes, Pang will take your shoes. I know I cannot go willy nilly 'threatening' characters without meaningful RP beforehand, but Pangretor shouldn't have to give a 'warning' to a player who is acting tough before showing him the consequences of their actions. Throughout my playtime with Pang, I've instigated encounters with players of higher level when i was a lowbie and I was fully aware of my actions and the consequences that come with them, **see my death count** Smile... but when i see lower level characters just straight up talking shit about Pang because of his faith or his actions, I cannot do anything about it because i have to 'threaten' them and then they leave the situation just to do it again at a later date, and if I act one time without using the 'threaten' command, they complain..

The whole system goes against my character, who i want to be the Mad Talosian sorcerer who will fry you up quicker than chicken wings on superbowl sunday. if you offend or piss Pangretor off, no matter friend or foe, I should be able to act on it, but more times than not, I'm not able to.

Now I'm not gonna just go kill everyone at a lower level that I see just because I can, of course RP will happen and if they decide to take it down that road, they should not be a complete baby about it when they end up being the friday special.

This isn't hypothetical by any means, these things have happened for me in the game, and i've had to bite my tongue in the game and laugh certain things off, or just act like those characters are not worth my time, which they aren't but the way I want to play him isn't like that.

Talk Shit. Get Hit. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Please drop your ideas or comments below! I'm open for debate, and would just generally want to know what everyone thinks on the subject and if you have ever ran into this playing certain characters. This argument is certainly skewed towards the evil side of the spectrum but I could certainly see the 'goodies' having similar problems.

Pangretor
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ViolaRose



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it, if you threaten a player and they choose to ignore it, then they're free game. I'm not sure if that extends through future meetings - but it should. The threat shouldn't go away just because they did. That said, I think that if you are pushed into a pk interaction with someone obviously much lower leveled than you, you should try to make it fun and engaging, and minimize their personal losses - really that should always be a goal for any pk interaction no matter what the level differences are (except for maybe the minimizing losses part because sometimes people just need to die)!

I also think that if a higher leveled player is being harassed by a lower leveled player, they shouldn't be expected to roleplay as if it isn't "worth their time" to react. Nothing is more annoying than some little twerp acting like they're the shit and then calling BS when they get smacked for it. Because, likewise, a lower leveled player should be expected to roleplay a proper amount of respect/fear. If that isn't happening, then they deserve to be beaten down until they understand what they did wrong. And that's how it works, and how we all get along! Razz

However, I don't think that a higher leveled player should harass a lower leveled player, unprovoked. In that situation, them "not being worth the time" really does apply - do you -really- want those newbie shoes? Even if you're playing a badass bully evil douchebag, if you're constantly putting someone in a corner that they can't get out of, no matter what amount of fear/respect they're showing, then what fun is it for them?

And that's really what it comes down to - enjoying the game and allowing others to enjoy the game as well. SG is a PK mud and as such nobody should expect to be exempt from it, but never should anyone feel so harassed or unable to play their role because another person is sucking all the fun out of it. And maybe that cramps your style a bit - and I get it, I've been in your place and, in retrospect, I was a pretty big asshole (it's a way of life for us Talosians I guess). But sometimes you just have to temper it a bit - I think your reputation would only suffer if you're constantly picking on the weaker, anyway.. and you'd go from being "mad" (which you've accomplished pretty well!) to just being pathetic and silly.

Anyhow, somewhere amidst that rambling my point is that I really don't think that keeping your fellow player's fun in mind is too much to ask. So just do that and it'll be fine Smile
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pangretor



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply!

I agree with what you're saying, and of course I'm not gonna do PK unprovoked, certainly on lower level players. My angle is that with my character and alignment, I really shouldn't NEED a reason, you know? Like I can go slaughter countless NPC's for no apparent reason and get reprimanded for it, why would PC's be any different? To Pangretor, they are just another body in the way. I don't want to make the game not fun for other people and I'm not going to start doing so, I'm just giving my two cents on the topic. I smell what you're stepping in and I've always tried to make things fun for other person in the PK situation, I know what it's like to just be slaughtered or hung multiple times, and while I never minded the rebuilding stage, it does get a bit old Smile. Thanks again, see y'all around.

And if they are nice shoes, maybe! Razz

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ViolaRose



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't think there's anything keeping you from randomly pking people at all (in levelcheck of course!), except people might not like you very much Smile

Bullies aren't really interesting from a role play aspect - unless they are! But for such a role to succeed, it can't be the only dimension of the character, and there better damn well be some other redeeming qualities, otherwise why even bother being on a role play mud? There's plenty of pk MUDs out there (maybe? I have no actual idea) (Also, I'm generalizing here, it isn't a commentary on Pangretor specifically!)

I'd also point out that pk doesn't have to be the END of role play. It can also be the beginning! Happily, SG gives us a lot of options in that direction (torture, geas, binding, blackmail, mugging, a good old fashioned ass beating, etc).

Sorry for all my long responses! It's a topic I like discussing because I've been all over the board on how I feel about it (currently I'd say I'm not an eager participant, but I can respect its rp value), and I've played just about every perspective. I'd be interested in hearing how others feel about it - especially those who think pk is the best thing ever, and are sad because we're no longer allowed to kill the same person 15 times in a day. I'm sure the hardcore rules have led to quite a few players vanishing over time..
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Kossuth



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are only obligated to give one warning the first time. If they continue to smart mouth you even at a later date you are free to deal with them as you see fit. There are consequences for continuing to act tough when you aren't. I do advise caution though. If you spend all your time scrying low level people just to catch them talking crap about you then you are essentially abusing your power. If they are loudly talking shit in public places or your presence though it is up to your discretion. Low level people should be afraid to talk shit about someone who can and will incinerate them and if they aren't then they deserve to be taught a lesson.
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essyllis



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, this is one of the reasons why we have PK mails.
If a little one is yelping at you, and you used theaten. You can always send a PK-mail about the hostile action, if it happens the next day, you are able to smack him/her around and send another PK mail about this.
Keeps your back free.

Remember always to use common sense though. If it is half-year later, you might want to use theathen again, and send us a new PK mail. Still draws a pretty picture and making us aware of someone misusing their PK protection.
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Kossuth



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost forgot one thing. Tabor is specifically a lowbie area and we don't want high level players rolling in to intimidate and show how awesome they are by oppressing the lowbies. Try to avoid any kind of confrontational rp there whether it be high to high level orhigh to low as we dont want lowbies feeling immediately set upon. Everywhere else is fair game. If a lowbie is acting tough to you in offestry(and they provoked it) you can use the threaten command and excuse yourself. Make sure you report what happened per essy to cover your bases. Later if you run into them outside offestry and they are still acting tough you can put them in their place.

So just remember, tabor is for lowbies not flexing your epeen.
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pangretor



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, I'll have to keep it in mind from now on, whether I'm the higher level or lower level. I would honestly probably forget about it if it was a half year later haha but either way, thanks for clearing it up for me. I know how to deal with it all now. Thanks!

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