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Verbannon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisper wrote:
I will try not to dumb this down too much because I obviously have trouble understanding the vast concepts you describe Verbie, but here goes. You have taken the idea of a simple concept to the extreme by encompassing it into two words. Halfling barbarian is not really a concept, it is a race and occupation. Why not improve on that, perhaps a Halfling barbarian that was forced to leave his village because he was a bit too bloodthirsty...add more to that as you please. On the other hand to say you want to make a tielfing with a shoulder celestial is not valid. That is like saying you want to make a human warrior with enchanted chainmail and he is a general. Make your character within the limits of the character. Human warriors start out naked and with no rank or the very most a private....grow into a magic chain mail general from there over time and rp it. Tiefling do not have shoulder celestials... and you are right, I will say make a tielfling, but discuss the possibility of encountering a possible shoulder companion along the way with an avatar. I once made a split personality fey'ri, within the limits of a fey'ri. When he was in fey'ri form he was one sane personality and when he was in elf form he was the other. The elf form was insane and would converse with the fey'ri side as another person that he swore he could see.

Make a concept within the confines of the character and if you need help outside of it, get an avatar to approve and help or don't do it.


The point of my post was the starting point. Even in this example of yours you are 'starting' with just a race/class than adding to it.

I dont and cant start with a race/class, I start with the concept then find a race/class to match it. If I start from the other end I have to just randomly pick a race/class with dice or a number generator. Hence this suggestion.

But your entire dang post reads like you do not think I can or am willing to start with a blank slate character and add onto it. Which is obviously an obtuse statement because

This entire suggestion is just a way for me to select a blank slate to add onto.


Also a familiar is a level 1 spell. So it is not an unreasonable idea for a tiefling to have a celestial familiar. In fact the reason the idea fell apart was entirely because the celestials that hand out warlock pacts are only of the villanous asshole variety who dont actually give a crap about redemption. And it was too late for me to try and rework the tiefling as a sorcerer who does bad things until he has the third tier of familiars so I could reskin a pixie as a Coure who tries to help him find redemption.

In addition there were no avatars around at the time.

So please stop talking about my character creation attempts like you actually know what went wrong. You do not. And I find your assumptions insulting.
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Whisper



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verb, a celestial is not a familiar, not a pet.

Secondly you really need to reread warlocks and the celestial pact.

Now, I have tried to help you and you have only become defensive, argumentative, and insulting so I wash my hands of it. My only thought here was to give you ideas so you could broaden your horizon and have fun with another character and keep playing. You do not want to start with race and class fine, start with a concept and add race and class....it is all the same in the long run so do not be so thick that you cannot extrapolate what someone has said into something workable.

You obviously would rather crap on any idea that is not your own so enjoy your time alone not playing I really don't care anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are just sore that I called you out for ignoring what I said as you focused instead on your preconcieved denigrating opinion of my problem. When I pointed out that your advice doesnt apply because its what I was already doing. You are now trying to save face by falsely maligning my response so you can attempt to extradite yourself as an offended party rather than the offending party.

But now that won't work because I am pointing out what you are doing. So now your only recourse is to either apologize or just exit the conversation minus your metaphorical face.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But regardless of your response I will not lower myself further my continuing to argue with you. I shall maintain the high road and not argue or talk with you any further on this subject .
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or I could ignore you from now on after telling you to go screw yourself. This is what I get for trying to help you.
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Verbannon



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisper wrote:
Or I could ignore you from now on after telling you to go screw yourself. This is what I get for trying to help you.
You can do as you wish. Im certainly not going to join you in petty crude language. I'm going to choose to remain, calm, rational and non-emotional. But if you want to hold onto a grudge thats your business not mine. Smile But I forgive you anyway. And if you ever want to simply put this business behind us like rational adults, I'll always be willing to.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for the actual topic at hand. Enough has already been said to create a sufficient counter argument to the reasons I have for the proposal. I really shouldnt have to do your work for you all but I guess I have to.

First off I admitted that a solution to the delimma of a lack of parameters was to pre-vet the races manually creating a second personal list of all the races with the desired alignments then simply rolling amongst them.

This reduces my argument from something I (and by extension, others like me) need to create a character, into a want.

Thus combined with The argument that there are clearly many other things desired by a greater percentage of the player base, can be used to formulate an argument that although does not destroy the proposal can be used to make a rock solid case that the tier of this proposal should be one of the lowest priority. Managing an effective defeat of the proposal and rendering further argument without additional reasons given moot.

In other words saying "If you need random characters Verbannon, then roll them up manually. You just admitted you can with just more effirt. You are right now the only player who seems to need such. And even if there are other players who would play Shadowgate if we had random character generation. We cannot quantify that value and given the extent of other desired projects to work on, such a suggestion as this should be shelved until such time as all the major projects are completed."

Would soundly defeat me and I would concede the suggestion. Thus far however there has only been one post made actually on topic since I made my newest psupporting post on this topic.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other words for now I concede the topic.
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